Thread:Shrev64/@comment-3244796-20131217080609/@comment-3244796-20140203001127

SlyCooperFan1 wrote: I just read this theory. I need to point out a couple of things, and I'd love to discuss it, because even though there are some major holes, this is a very interesting theory.

The gist that I got was this: Penelope was the true inventor of Clockwerk's robotic armor this entire time. She came to the conclusion on her own, and decided to hatch a plan involving Le Paradox and Sly's ancestors so that she would gain access to her own time machine to travel back and build Clockwerk's armor so that everything that happened in history would actually happen, ensuring that Sly, Bentley, and Murray remain as friends in present time as they are. (If it wasn't for Clockwerk, they might have never met each other.) She made herself look evil so that the gang would defeat her, and escaped from prison to complete her work. Bryner Noggin was a random character (a wolf, to fit your theory) who learned of at least a portion of the plans, and knew that Clockwerk was somehow involved with Le Paradox. Penelope caught wind of his findings, and made him a cyborg robot along with the others in Medieval England (sorta like a Cyberman thing going on, which just creeps me out).

Some holes in your theory:
 * 1) You're wrong about Bryner in Medieval England having any connection to this. You already know that Kraemer being mentioned was a reference to Mat Kraemer, lead designer of Thieves in Time. What you failed to check was that Bryner is not a reference to the chalkboard (of which I didn't even know existed until doing my research today), but in fact another staff member. Namely, the lead level designer and senior game designer of Thieves in Time, Daniel Bryner, who is now working with Sledgehammer Games on Call of Duty titles.
 * Yes, the robot wolves seem to have similar eyes as Clockwerk, but from the first three games. They look nothing like Clockwerk's eyes in Thieves in Time.
 * 1) Penelope would need access to Arpeggio's files, which contained the blueprints for the Clockwerk frame, as Arpeggio was the one who modified each of the Parts to fit the Klaww Gang's various needs, and then made the frame himself. All of his documents were likely destroyed in the blimp's explosion. The Cooper Gang didn't have access to Clockwerk's blueprints because they had no idea what Clockwerk's weaknesses were. Only after entering battle did they realize that Carmelita's shock pistol could open holes in his frame, allowing Sly to fire rockets to damage him. So how would Penelope know how to build Clockwerk's frame?
 * 2) Penelope had access to Le Paradox's resources when she stole the time machine plans from Bentley, but according to you, she knew the gang would have to defeat her in Medieval England so they didn't catch on to her plans to build Clockwerk's frame in the past. So why would she let herself get beat for the Cooper Gang to go back to the present and throw her in prison? Now she has no resources. The Clockwerk Parts were simple metal, but they were kept alive through the Hate Chip, which has to be some very advanced technology that Penelope might not be able to develop on her own.
 * 3) EDIT: Forgot to mention Penelope's ramblings while walking through the streets as Sly tailed her, and then Bentley through the Blacksmith's. Her words seemed out of pure and complete malice, and she talked about having a life with Bentley after Sly was out of the picture. That dialogue can't just be thrown together by someone faking it; it seemed extremely genuine.

But the theory is very interesting indeed. Unfortunately, we know nothing about Sly 5 except that Penelope and Slytunkhamen are obviously involved. Before I go on with my response, you need to understand that Bryner Noggin doesn't have to be a wolf. He could be any animal, for all we know. The fur on the Cyborg Wolves seems more like artificial fur added for aesthetic purposes.

1. You really need to understand the bigger picture here. Sure, Bryner is the name of one of the developers, but that's the kind of thing that you would be led to assume. After all, if all of the other Cyborg Wolves are named after people who made the game, then Bryner Noggin, who shares his first name with one of the developers, has his role in things concealed. Thus, Bryner Noggin is further covered by this "illusion".

2. Seeing as Clockwerk wasn't much of an explicit focus in this game, his cameos didn't have to have accurate images of him. Simply having a robotic owl in the distance was more than enough for people to recognize him as Clockwerk. However, the Cyborg Wolves obviously had a role to play in TiT, so they, of course, had designs that were very detailed compared to Clockwerk's. The design, for all intents and purposes, could be a way for the developers to foreshadow certain events in a future installment if we take their facial designs into account.

3. Penelope could've just built the Clockwerk Frame from scratch and made her own blueprints for it.

4. Don't you remember the ending? She broke out of prison and went on a crime spree. It's entirely possible that the things she stole were technology-related, things that she'd use as resources for the next phase of her plan. It's also been shown that she is a very hard worker if she was able to build Le Paradox's time machine in such a short time. Do you really think that she wouldn't be smart enough or ambitious enough to build another time machine in a short time with possibly limited resources? Besides, we don't know how long it took for Bentley's time machine to be made. For all we know, he could've made countless defective prototypes before he made a machine that worked, so we don't know how long it'll take for Penelope to develop another time machine. But like I said, she seemingly works hard and quickly, so she could make it practically in a few weeks' time. Also, she was able to create a lot of advanced technology, as we have clearly seen. Do you honestly think she wouldn't be smart enough to make something like the Hate Chip?

5. She most likely rehearsed her dialogue a lot after her takeover. After all, if she was successful in hiding her identity as the Black Baron for so long, pretending to be a traitor would be child's play to her.